abhyase py asamartho si 12.10

12.10

abhyāse ’py asamartho ’si mat-karma-paramo bhava

mad-artham api karmāṇi kurvan siddhim avāpsyasi

 

abhyāse ’py – that which is followed from the exercise or study of 

asamartho ’si  – (asamarthamu) un able to do so

mat-karma-paramo bhava – mine science of action is the supreme expression 

mad-artham api  – for the sake of meaning also

karmāṇi -that through the results of action

kurvan – doing the works of which

siddhim – prepare us for perfection

avāpsyasi – (avaptamu) to be attained 

 

Full meaning:

That which is followed from the exercise or study of, unable to do so mine science of action is the supreme expression for the sake of meaning also that through the results of action, doing the works of which prepare us for perfection to be attained. 

 

If you cannot exercise in scripture study, god is saying, mine is the science of action that is above all, it is for the sake of meaning also, though action, prepare our bodies to attain perfection. In the text, “na hi jnanena sadrasam” (4.38) it also tells us it is not the knowledge gained here but the vidyate or education undergone that is more valuable. 

 

What is this perfection? Do we all attain the same perfect state? 

The ideal of perfection is not the same for everyone to be achieved. Each of our perfection is based on our karma, past and present, our bodies are a filter for the perfection to be achieved. It is the state of our end form, our resolve (end result)  from this existence. 

 

If you are not capable of practicing systematic concentration, then devote yourself whole heartedly to works of service to me ( consisting in external worship and discharge of duties for my sake). Thus working for me, man can attain to perfection. What is devoting yourself to works of service and this is external worship that involves discharge of duties for God’s sake? I don’t believe that is what this verse is saying exactly. Take a look at my full meaning.

abhayam sattva-samsuddhih 16.1

16.1

abhayaṁ sattva-samśuddhih jñāna-yoga-vyavasthitiḥ

dānaṁ damaś ca yajñaś ca svādhyāyas tapa ārjavam 

 

abhayaṁ – fear not 

sattva-samśuddhih – the mode of goodness that is to be sung together or in union with

jñāna-yoga-vyavasthitiḥ –  jnana yoga or yoga of knowledge  is fixed in (vyavastha)

dānaṁ – charity

damaś – control of senses 

ca  – also

yajñaś – worship and rites performed to the sacred fire that is test of our experience here 

ca – also 

svādhyāyas –  own self reading following the text or the study of scriptures 

tapa – with burning 

ārjavam – is one’s uprightness or straight forwardness 

 

Full meaning:

Fear not the mode of goodness that is to be sung together or in union with jnana yoga or the yoga of knowledge is fixed in charity, control of senses also, worship to the sacred fire also, own self reading following the text or the study of scriptures with burning is one’s uprightness or straight forwardness. 

What is jna yoga?

It is the yoga of knowledge. The way I have seen be used in my life it is not merely knowledge but having wisdom from that knowledge. 

Why is jna yoga or knowledge fixed in charity? 

It is because ours is the religion of dharma. The word dharma means righteousness, duty, doing what is right, charity and working for a cause that you treasure (18.47). 

It is also fixed in yajna, because summoning agni is higher form of worship that has been done by rishi’s and priests in Hinduism  and the rites performed to agni is test of our experience right and wrong here on earth. The sun is what is making possible the science of action. Evoking Agni through yanja is in way worshipping the foremost source of all hindu knowledge. 

Why is it uprightness or straightforwardness?

Own self participating in  religion in the mode of goodness is one’s uprightness or straight forward, would you not say that is the scripture of mankind?

 

My sanskrit interpretations and can you appreciate it?

My argument for my interpretations.

The language is read from left to right (at least Sanskrit is ) and when it is translated into english sure there will be some differences in the way a sentence is understood but the words do not have to jumbled up to make meaning, and if the words are given the correct meaning it can be understood the way it is meant to be understood reading from left to right. When Sanskrit is read and practiced that way, it should be understood that way. The beauty of veda is it should allow you to close eyes in the way you can ponder its measure. See my translation or interpretation of the verses word to word and the full meaning and see if you can appreciate it.

 

Sanskrit is no longer a spoken language. It has been absorbed by regional languages and the ending of these words have that regional language spelling or dialect but it does not change that the word comes from Sanskrit. Too often it is said not be sanskrit because it is not spelled the same way or enunciated the same way. Telugu’s do not all enunciate or speak the same way or understand the words the same way. 

 

What I am seeing when I open Gita is form of Telugu that is not understood in the way either Telugu or Sanskrit is studied at present day. If 1.42 Gita patanti means fall down, there might be validity to my argument about the work that I am doing. And as with many other words. Please also take a look at all that I have posted and my meaning of sahanavavatu, and Gita meditation verse also to know what I am speaking of.

 

I might be on my own with what I am doing I neither knowing Telugu well, or Sanskrit and am only to rely on the way I am seeing the meaning how it is speaking to me and my spiritual experience.  

 

When a verse is translated it should have this flow of language and understanding. Take for example 1.32 and 1.33.

1.32-1.33

na kāṅkṣe vijayam kṛiṣhṇa na ca rājyaṁ sukhāni ca
kiṁ no rājyena govinda kiṁ bhogair jīvitena vā
yeṣām arthe kāṅkṣitaṁ no rājyaṁ bhogāḥ sukhāni ca
ta ime’ vasthitā yuddhe prāṇāṁs tyaktvā dhanāni ca

 

The meaning online.

https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/1/verse/32-33

 

I combined 1.32 and 1.33. JK yog webiste also has it this way. Tapasyananda’a version has 1.32 and 1.33-1.34 combined. One thing noticed about the JK yog website was the “h” was added to a lot of words where there is no “h” in the way it is written in sanskrit, for example “ca” and many other words. Other versions of text do not have this “h” in the words, the Sanskrit of the transliteration to English is as is!

 

My meaning

1.32-1.33

na kāṅkṣe vijayaṁ kṛiṣhṇa na ca rājyam sukhāni ca
kiṁ no rājyena govinda kiṁ bhogair jīvitena vā
yeṣām arthe kāṅkṣitaṁ no rājyam bhogāḥ sukhāni ca
ta ime’ vasthitā yuddhe prāṇāṁs tyaktvā dhanāni ca

na – not

kāṅkṣe – do I desire

vijayaṁ – victory

kṛiṣhṇa – krishna

na – not

ca – also

rājyam – having the kingdom

sukhāni  – the happiness from it

ca – also

kim- why

no – even

rājyena – if I am the king

govinda – all will be gone or have to be given up in the end

kiṁm – why

bhogair – the luxuries

jīvitena – by which to live this life

vā – either

yeṣām – the thrown out or discarded

arthe  – meaning

kāṅkṣitaṁ – that I desired to know

No – even

rājyam – having the kingdom

bhogāḥ – the luxuries of it

sukhāni – will bring about that happiness

ca – also

ta ime’ – you are

vasthitā – true, the reality of which is

yuddhe – to fight

prāṇāṁs – with one’s life

tyaktvā – is to sacrifice

dhanāni – the wealth they have

ca – also

 

Full meaning: Not do I desire victory Krishna. Not also having the kingdom the happiness from it also. Why even if I am the king all will be gone or have to be given up in the end. Why the luxuries by which to live this life or either the thrown out or discarded meaning that I desired to know; even if having the kingdom the luxuries of it, will bring about that happiness also. You are true, the reality of which is, to fight with one’s life is to sacrifice the wealth they have also. 

 

I chose this verse for my argument to be understood. Govinda means all is gone in the end or must be given up in the end, and what is chanted by the people going up to the vekateswara in Thirupati, it is how Telugu’s use it. Govinda does not necessarily only mean a name of krishna. Why does the poet use Govinda here and not Krishna or madhu sudana in this particular verse, that should be thought about also to understand why it makes sense to me that way.

This particular verse and the meaning I have is not that much different from what is in the text if are looking for the gist of it. There are verses where my meaning makes a difference that you can see. I suggest you look at some of the other verses I have translated or interpreted below.  I hope what I am doing can be understood and appreciated.  

https://iksvakave.wordpress.com/2019/07/14/17-22-adesa-kale-yad-danam/ 

https://iksvakave.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/gita-4-38/

https://iksvakave.wordpress.com/category/iksvakave-entries-am-i-a-hindu/meditation-verse-on-gita/

https://iksvakave.wordpress.com/category/iksvakave-entries-am-i-a-hindu/sahanavavatu-mantra/

Thank you for taking the time!

 

17.22 Adesa-kale yad danam

 

Gita 17.22

adeśa-kāle yad dānam apātrebhyaś ca dīyate
asatkṛitam avajñātaṁ tat tāmasam udāhṛitam

 

adeśa-kāle – The county’s region/land dream is of

yad when

dānam one donates or gives to

apātrebhyas – the unworthy/undeserving that we fear

ca – also

dīyate – the light you offer in the form of charity

asatkṛitam – done performed for the unreal

avajñātaṁ – having awareness of this knowledge/wisdom from

tat – that

tāmasam – ignorance in us

udāhṛitam – is said to be an illustration of this

 

Full meaning:

The country’s region/land dream of is when one donates or gives to the unworthy/undeserving that we fear also, is the light you offer in the form of charity done performed for the unreal. Having awareness of this knowledge/wisdom from that ignorance in us is said to be an illustration of this.

 

 

What does it say in Gita?

The gift that is made at an improper time and place, to an unworthy recipient, unceremoniously and in a slighting manner that is said to be the nature of Tamas.

Do we give gifts this way? What is the nature of gift giving? Hopefully it is not for the unceremonious act that is happening in the nature of tamas or mode of ignorance.

Why are the words jumbled up again? After adesa-kale comes apatrebhyah?

There is no word for gift, danam stands for charity.

How did I derive at my meaning?

Adesa-kale – said like adesa kale, the country’s dream is of  in Telugu;

When you are reading sanskrit from left to right you should be able to close your eyes to what it is you are reading. So starting a verse with a gift that is made at a improper place in time I don’t think is what this verse means.

apatrebhyas – I used the Telugu word apatramu and bhyas. I want to add here just because a word is spelled differently it does not change the root of the word is sanskrit.

asatkrtam- sat being real and asat being unreal and krtam is what is done or performed.

avajnatam- used in Telugu as avajna.

If in chapter 1, text 42 there is a word patanti which means fall down, there must be truth to what I am doing. Patanti resembles lot like the Telugu word for fall down. It is not said or enunciated the same way or spelled in the same exact way as in the Gita text. Sanskrit is also a extinct language, it is no longer spoken. Telugu’s alone all do not speak the language the same way. I gave this as a example to say there maybe truth to what I am doing.

The full meaning again, that I have for this verse.

The country’s region/land dream of is when one donates or gives to the unworthy/undeserving that we fear also, is the light you offer in the form of charity done performed for the unreal. Having awareness of this knowledge/wisdom from that ignorance in us is said to be an illustration of this.

 

 

 

4.24 Gita Brahmarpanam

4.24

 

brahmārpaṇaṁ brahma havir brahmāgnau brahmaṇā hutam

brahmaiva tena gantavyaṁ brahma-karma-samādhinā

 

What it says in Gita.

 

I have questions about this, the word to word analysis of what is written in Gita.

The offering is Brahman? What type of offering is this? Do we offer to Brahman in the way that term in used in Sanskrit, the consciousness that is one. The oblations is brahman. What are these oblations or offerings that are to brahman? To the fire that is brahman by the scrificer who is brahman. Do you offer to brahman in the form of sacrificial rites to the fire that is Brahman? You can pray to brahman this way? And are each of us Brahman? Is this the way the non-dualists think of the ultimate reality? The one who has aborption in work as brahman so he alone can be reached the brahman?  So you are doing work as performing rites as brahman? A person who is abosbored in this (sacrificial rites) alone can be reached to brahman? What then happens to the ultimate reality that is the consciousness?

The full meaning written in Gita for it.

To one of the above description, the ladle with which offering is made and the oblations are brahman. And the sacrificial rite (which is brahman) is performed by the sacrificer who is brahman, the fire which too is brahman. He who is thus absorbed in the work as Brahman, attains to Bhrahman alone.  

What is “to the one above description,” there are no sanskrit words written like that in the verse. The ladle (long spoon) which offering is made, the oblations to brahman, this so called sacrificial rite with the ladle to the fire is brahman?. There are no Sanskrit words in the verse describing this ladle. I don’t believe this is brahman or performed by the sacrificer who is brahman so then each of us are now brahman? A person absorbed in this work or sacrificial rite “as brahman” attains brahman alone? What was in the book made no sense to me.

I do not think they are talking about the food as an offering, more like the sacrificial rites offered to Brahman which too, is the fire.

Hindus do perform sacrificial rites to agni. The person performing the sacrifice is not brahman, he is brahmana. The meaning of Hutam is called or summoned or invited during this sacrificial rites. Hindus do have a word for food in sanskrit that is Anna. I don’t think this sacrifice rites performed with the ladle have anything to do with food we physically consume, it even says it for the fire that is brahman.  I don’t believe we are called the sacrificer that is brahaman, there are many other terms in Sanskrit to describe our experience and existence here, example jiva, manava etc. and other terms used alongside with other Sanskrit words and philosophy. Our absorption of work is not brahman we have other sanskrit terms to describe that work and or actions such as karma etc. If brahman is consciousness and ultimate reality believed by the non – dualists how is it he alone attain brahman?  And is it “he”? Does the verse specify that?

My meaning or how I understood 4.24

brahmārpaṇaṁ brahma havir brahmāgnau brahmaṇā hutam

brahmaiva tena gantavyaṁ brahma-karma-samādhinā

 

brahmārpaṇaṁ – contribution or offering to brahma

brahma havir – is that we had and given up (havaninstu)

brahmāgnau  – to the fire that is brahma

brahmaṇā hutam – when called summoned invited by the priests (brahmana)

Brahmaiva – to brahma certainly

tena – when brings about (tena)

gantavyaṁ – an hour in time unknown to free us from sorrow (ganta/hour avyadha/freedom from sorrow)

brahma-karma-samādhinā – that is the brahma karma samadhina.

 

Brahama-karma-samadhina- where we go in the end, or our grave in the end is samadhina.  our spiritual process there upon. The fire that is also the brahman. The word samaadhi literally means grave in Sanskrit, but Hindu’s do not bury their dead.  The word samadhi also implies contemplation and self-reflection after renouncing from this world. Meaning after being gone, perhaps for Hindus, that samadhi is brahma since there is no other way of understanding grave in a literal sense. The words brahama-karma-samdhina reflect this.

 

What is this brahma karma samadhi (grave) and where is it, clearly the verse is saying that is the brahma karma samadhi, is also the fire which is brahman. Is this where the science of action is taking place (the sun)? Why is is not agni, or aditya or surya, how do we differentiate from brahman that is also the fire as described in the verse from these other terms that stand for fire, or the sun god where the science of action is taking place. How does our body go there when it is being cremated here on earth. What takes it there? Why is it brahma karma samadhina? What happens there? The spiritual process there upon, what does that look like. For example, how do we live in spirit (sanskrit term being Bhutva). Believe me there is truth to that, spirit and soul not invented and there for a reason. 

I do know this though despite all of our spiritual place and process it is the practical life we have to live day in and day out, our existence here though is with that ultimate reality.  I can write more, but what the world can’t see, touch and feel themselves or relate to from experiential knowledge one does not understand. As it is we have trouble understanding what is, so it is better to understand it as solely your own experience and have to live with it knowing that.

Okay, something to think about. Has anyone see the sun from the telescopes at Kittpeak? It looked blue when I saw it from one of the telescopes. Not like the blazing hues of red, orange, and yellow we see with the naked eyes. I don’t know why that is, or what I was looking at. The candle light has the similar blue at the base of the flame.  These are just some thoughts, I know the sky is also blue but I don’t know why that is either. What I do know and understand is the sun to be the science of action, what is directly observed by the hindus in the form of surya namaskaram and prayers to sun and also worshiped or summoned upon during rituals to agni.

The Shabda Table

Sbhada table that I created.

 

 

 

 

 

The Hindu Worship

Hindu way of life is that of a personal god. Whether it is the prayer in front of the altar at home, or the way one approaches and receives god at the temples or the Hindu texts one decides to dwell in, it is the idea of personal God. There is no congregation or authority that dictates one right or wrong. It is perceived we are not without a sense, peoples sense and sensibility in their approach, time and place decides what is understood and yet to be understood in this personal relationship worship of God.

The blog static page

Updated static page to bring clarity to my experience and also writing to my writing satisfaction.

I am a 33 yr old female on a quest to learn about my religion — Hinduism. This is because of personal struggles and also the loss of my grandfather who I feel very connected to in spirit. It was my desire to understand my own religion and understand Gita that started this journey. The only words I understood were God loves me and the words of Joyce Meyer.  My religion is not what it looks like to the naked eyes, and in my opinion as Hindus we do not understand the true significance of worship or of being a Hindu. Most of it is accepted as the way things are done. What you see also is where we as Hindus fail miserably is we do not see beyond the four walls of our worship (or kitchen gods). What my mind knew of Hinduism is its depth, breath of its vastness and the eternal knowledge of the sacred Sanskrit language.  Through my spiritual journey of what life had presented me with and even though people might or might not understand that idea, I have to say I experienced God, spirit so to speak. Yes! I am not going to deny it, I cannot formulate any other way to describe it. I am not going to lie to the world. I experienced the Hindu Gods themselves – Vishnu and Lakshmi, Shiva, Brahma and Saraswati even though it might have been for a split minute. This happened along with experiencing grandpa in spirit after his passing away. How can one know this? My experience is only solely for me to understand and my journey. What I questioned of Hinduism because of having grown up here has proved to be true. It is a religion that holds validity. It is ancient beyond years and there is truth to the volumes of Sanskrit wealth and knowledge that is above our comprehension. Hinduism and all that it is not a myth. Hence why people believe it, study it and practice it.  The spiritual experiences I have had of experiencing the spirit told me our origins are not the same. I was able to experience it in way that is unreal and allows for me to respect race and roots a whole different way. This experience has taught me to believe in God with conviction and God’s power over this world real or unreal can no way can be understood in our one life time here.

There is lot of emotion that is surging through me as I write this sharing my experience and putting this experience out in the world/universe. Do you think people understand experiences they did not undergo themselves? In my life I feel blessed by God and the power of spirit. It is a personal experience that is only felt by me and perhaps not necessarily understood by many, until then I have to plow my path and just as each and everyone of us here inorder to survive and live in this world. It is a path less traveled and not what the universe can wrap their heads around right away of the truth I speak. The truth I speak of I vested in myself and feel that is vested in me and us if we believe in that higher power. Truth also I realized is a religious and spiritual concept. It is not the way people interact and to be frank understand one another. It holds higher power that people can only feel at a conscious level. What truth in experience is okay to share, accepted, and understood by people and societies? It be that the truth of our bodies.

I have to acknowledge this, to my amazement what I also experienced was Jesus. A soul, pure and perfect. Now, how do I tell the world that I experienced Hindu Gods and Jesus without sounding like a nut. It is not because of what I am drawn to also, there is no confusion here, I have experienced the spirit of Jesus pure and perfect and it is with my soul I am speaking the truth. I am an undenying Hindu, I have been pondering about my experiences with Jesus’s spirit and I have turned a few pages in the bible, attended a few services and then it occurred me Christianity is a religion in its own right, with a foundation that holds the power of God with the grip of its hand.  I never as a Hindu thought of it this way. I was that open minded, universal Hindu that some of us are, and accepted Jesus as a God. Simply because we do not rule out other’s religions and creeds and their birth and will in this world. I do have to add and say I have found the Christians to be nice, sweet and welcoming people. However, at times I feel they are not accepting of the fact that I have a religion. If they are and I am wrong I have to say I respect them all the more. For Hindu’s culture, religion and education are one and the same.  It is a way of life. Could a Christian teach me about the teachings of Jesus and still respect the fact that I have a religion?  I might be in a place where neither can I win the hearts of Hindus nor the hearts of Christians with what I maybe writing about experiences of without a doubt coming to know the existence of God and religion. I am writing this with only belief —- truth is God. I am just as curious and dumbfounded about where this journey will take me. Will one day or there be a day I will come to learn about Christianity and teachings of Jesus still keeping my own faith? I would like to be graced by that knowledge.

Be it the spiritual teachings of Hinduism or Christianity on word of God, what I believe is even though we have religious people what is accepted of us by god and other people are our spiritual bodies. What I mean by that is through acceptance of others and ourselves we infact understand God and spirituality. People of religion don’t necessarily have spiritual bodies and vice verse. What gives power to a religion is a spiritual acceptance and awakening from its teachings. I do believe the makeup of our bodies is our religion. Weather you believe in it and how much you believe in it is up to you. Meditating on anything with your eyes closed will help you realize the make up of your body and a sense of awareness for person that you are, your minds intellect, religion and values. I feel every religion and path has words of wisdom. In my journey I want to write and my gift to be able to write about religion or spirituality in a way each foundation is not altered and the soul appreciates what I have written. That is a journey that is yet to be realized.

What I am is what you can’t see or might always appreciate with your naked eyes because that is nature of this experience. I say this because it is not how we interact with one another. We live and breathe in maya.

I only ask that you do not be quick to judge this blog either because you don’t understand the experience of it, or the reason for it. If you are following my blog, you have to make a premise — make an assumption that something is true. In this case believing what I am writing and my experience to be true. I also ask that you do not judge what you see with and make connections with what you meet in person. I might not make any sense to you because this is all written with depth and not how we interact. In simple words it is a website about what I have come to discover about religion and spirituality, god and spirit and also the value of it. Through this journey I hope to have embraced the spirit, and in all the ways it transcends into our lives and may my journey here on earth be a witness to that.

If any of what I am writing resonates or is appreciated by you please like my page. Just remember I am a work in progress. The blog still needs a lot of editing and I am working on it to my writing satisfaction. I started this blog when my grandpa who is dear to me passed away.  This blog is also about having grown up in America and and the categories of what I came to know about culture and religion, and own human experience. I have been blessed by my grandparents spirit and I dedicate this blog in their memory and my evolution here on earth. You do not have to be Hindu or be from the Indian subcontinent to appreciate this blog.  Anything you like on my blog with a pure heart I believe will manifest to absolute truth that is soul. That is what is invested in me, you and us in our journey to God and reason for our human form and existence.

I would like to mention and express the word spirit is a word that does exist in a dictionary. I do not think it is made up word! It is one of the truths of human body and our experience as we cycle through this universe.

How many would be drawn to the words said here? And anything I said here. I will say it is spoken truthfully with my mind and heart. Our bodies might appreciate it, fight some of it or all it, but what I know is the soul will recognize the words spoken here in your nature. It is then, we will come to know ourselves in spirit.

Veena

On America’s Independence day the 4th of July

I feel proud and previleged to be a citizen of this country. One thing that was unreal to me was to see someone of Indian origin and from my parents own region of India be Ms. America. It was historic! I have seen many aspirations possible in this country, because we look up to those same ideals and opportunities that founded this country and what was intended for this country and can now be lived as the American dream by many others. The possibilities here are not always the possibilities in other third world countries is because it is the citizens that reflect what a country resembles like and what people value and care about and that is the civic sense to the country and its politics that people hold here dearly and I have come to admire. I feel fortunate to be part of a first world country like United Sates America that its people of color and women fought for also so I could enjoy the same rights. People who do not appreciate the race that gave birth to this country’s liberties, freedoms and luxuries and the founders of this establishment have done a grave dis service to this country and its race. May God bless America and its people. Happy 4th of July everyone!!

Short Film – Alice walker: Beauty in Truth

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ko4xPWKmsBTbiG0l-OunxGQoLsUqfO7qAtcd63tVzVo/edit?usp=sharing